Did ‘Hillary for America’ steal Bernie’s voter database?
Dear Editor,
As a long-term supporter of Bernie Sanders, I was startled to receive an unexpected email from the HRC Campaign in October, 2015, thanking me for becoming a member of “Hillary for America.” I never would do such a thing and actually, this quite upset me. Immediately, I detected something wasn’t quite right. I wrote them back three times and actually asked them if they were stealing Bernie’s voter info.
This was long before the public knew anything about a data breach. I replied that I would be informing the media about this and did in fact write a couple media outlets. I was quite upset about the fact they had my info; I asked them to never contact me again. The tone of my email meant business. I told them if I ever found my info on any petition I would sue.Now, of course, with all the purging of the voter rolls, and the knowledge of the DNC data breach, it has become glaringly obvious just exactly WHO accessed that data breach, and it wasn’t Bernie’s campaign after all!
I did check to see if my voter info was intact since I had just switched to Democrat from a lifelong Independent so I could vote for Bernie Sanders. and it was listed correctly. Now I think about the letter and my threat and wonder if my voter info was left intact because of it?
From a friend via BBC the night after the NY Primary:
The reasons for this “loss” are quite simple. In Nov. and Dec. last year the Dem Party database firewall went down on 3 occasions. A possible explanation: on the last occurrence, a former Clinton employee who was ostensibly placed within the Sanders Campaign staff as manager of their own database within the Dem Party overall voter database, “downloaded” a portion of Clinton’s voter database.
This “inside job” created a false story that hid the actions of the Clinton Campaign, who in all likelihood accessed the complete Sander’s voter database and used that as a basis to organize a purge of Sander’s voters from Ohio, Arizona, NY (as well as more states to come and past).
Also note that tonight’s poll results, just like Ohio and Arizona are being reported as static % voting patterns for Clinton over Sanders with a 21% lead. This is an impossibility tonight just as it was in the previous two “odd” elections where exit polling (usually highly accurate) shows a small vote differential of 3-6%.
In truth, the states different regions and precincts votes in very different patterns than the static 21% being shown.
In some Clinton wins by 60-40, in others Bernie won 60-40…and larger variable % differences have already been individually reported. If those were being accurately reported in the major media counts, the % difference between the candidates would be jumping around dramatically.
The very static nature of the % the media is reporting is a definitive sign of collusion between the DNC/Clinton camps and those major media news outlets.
Why do I say this? I have been an election observer in 4 major, highly disputed elections in Africa over the last 15 years. In each one of these the US State Dept, CIA, EU observer teams, UN observer teams and even local African NGO observer teams looked at this exact relationship between poll reporting percentage in the government controlled or ruling party controlled media as a sign of massive vote fraud.
This single issue was raised in each of those elections where I was an observer and was used by Hillary Clinton’s own State Dept as an excuse to declare that election in question as “not free and fair” or as an out right fraud against the people of that country. She knows the playbook well…she just defrauded the people if NY and the US with this same strategy here, with the collusion of the US major media.” – John Poundstone
From Investigative Reporter, Greg Palast: “Buckle up, America. The voting demolition derby that was the New York primary on Tuesday was merely the crash test for the coming voting wreckage in November: a carefully planned pile up… As I look upon the wreckage that was the New York primary, I see the prelude, the test run, for the catastrophic failure, the well-planned failure, of the voting system in November. The purges and votes “spoiled”–the votes not counted—not the voters, may well elect our President. Hopefully, the Journal can soon endorse Sanders for the nomination.”
DiAnn Walkinshaw
Albuquerque, NM
Can’t the DEMS all get along?
Voter rolls are public information. They are available to anyone (for an administrative fee), and is provided to the parties. The voter rolls include party affiliation and when you last voted. This is all a matter of public record.
What the rolls DON’T contain is information about which party candidate you support. But a normal advertising tactic, often used by non-profits, is to assume the outcome. How often have you gotten a solicitation from, say, Special Olympics or the Sierra Club, thanking you for your support (and maybe enclosing a sticker) when they ask you for money (and you haven’t sent them a dime)?
From the way the article tells it, I think that is what happened here. The writer enrolled in the Democratic party, and received a “thank you for joining us” solicitation from a pro-Hilary group. In a way, it’s reassuring that they sent her that, because the group *shouldn’t* have been able to find out she was a Bernie supporter.
One can question the ethics of “assuming the outcome” – I, personally, hate that sort of solicitation – but this anecdote is not evidence of any election fraud or data breach.
I am a Bernie supporter, and I do believe there has been some fraud in counting the votes, but this article doesn’t help to uncover those instances.
No, the program I use for Calling voters, has a box to check for different things, will vote Bernie, will vote Hillary, undecided, left message, no answer..and a couple more. That I believe is the VNP voter roll. They are keeping that information somewhere. I actually stopped calling people because I think that is the way it’s happening. We know the DNC has access to Bernie’s voter roll records, that was the whole scandal they tried to blame on Bernie.
They called me as well around that time
Last year I decided to work as an elections inspector at the urging of a friend, so I got trained in Suffolk County, worked the November 2015 election and then the presidential primary on April 19. I don’t intend to do this ever again, so I feel free to share my experience publicly.
After a grueling 17 hour day on Tuesday, where we were overwhelmed by voters — many long term voters who voted regularly and in the November election and hadn’t moved — had disappeared from the voting book. I wrote an account, which was distributed widely on Facebook and reached Reddit.
I am a Sanders supporter, but my account is true and verifiable by at least one other who was an elections inspector at the same polling station and by others who were at a polling station in Southampton.
I also canvassed the area covered by my polling station for Sanders in the days before the primary. I have the results from the last day of canvassing, which was typical of the 4 days I canvassed. I canvassed one turf and it is still on my phone.
I made a spreadsheet of supporters for the different candidates and the results of canvassing for the last turf (the only one I still have) show support for Sanders 17 strong/2 leaning; Clinton 3 strong/1 leaning; and 3 undecided. In the final polling, Clinton won 81/70 on the optical scanner machine and 12 to 4 on the BMD machine.
Here is my account. I hope this is useful to reporting on the highly unusual situation I and all the other poll workers experienced.
MY EXPERIENCE AS A POLL WORKER: EPIC FAIL — OR THEFT?
I was an election official in [the hamlet of Springs in the town of] East Hampton, NY. I am from this area and went canvassing for Bernie for 4 days here. While canvassing, I found overwhelming support for Bernie in my middle class area — nearly every house where I actually talked to voters (about 40% of the houses), almost all were for Bernie.
Voter Purges From The Rolls and Affidavits
But today at the polls, many of those had disappeared from the voter roll book. In ED 17, which is the district I was working in, 39 out of 166 Democratic voters were forced to file affidavit ballots. (ONLY 2 Republican voters had to file affidavits.) That’s close to 20%.
(The first 3 affidavit ballots — 2 democratic, 1 republican — had to be spoiled because we had not been informed that we had to write down the names, addresses, voter preference and whether it was a court ordered vote until after the voters had left. So that adds to the total. I remember the party affiliation but not the names. But now you know that there was a running list of affidavit voters that is kept separate from the affidavit ballots/envelopes.)
Many of these voters were long term registered Democrats — some were in couples where one person was on the rolls and the other was not. Most had not moved since the last election and had voted in the most recent elections.
It was impossible for me, an election official, to get a straight story on whether the affidavits would be counted. The “coordinator” — the top person at the site — let slip that they count the affidavits “proportionately”. If she is correct, that means, I assume, they take a sample of the ballots to count. Not all. If that sample is based on the proportion of official ballots cast, then I imagine it would just reproduce the first results WITHOUT the affidavits.
How Will The Affidavits Be Counted?
But it’s worse than that. If the voter has been purged from the Board of Elections rolls — like 125,000 Brooklyn voters were — then it seems the affidavits (because no one could tell me for certain what would happen to the affidavits) are not counted. If you can’t prove you are a registered Democrat, then you won’t be counted, it seems. (If you received a voter card, you have some proof. But not everyone did or they may not be able to retrieve it.)
This was NOT business as usual. This was my second election. The last one I worked at, exactly one voter needed an affidavit ballot in my ED. Every poll worker at the polling station, at all the ED tables (there were 4), was shocked at the number of voters who were not on the rolls. Many have been working for years as election officials and had never seen anything remotely like this.
Getting A Court Order
The ruling that came down from the emergency voter protection suit was no remedy. It allowed for getting a court order to vote. The nearest judge is more than an hour from here. And I was strongly discouraged by the polling place coordinator from even informing voters that a court order was an option until I challenged it by showing an official paper stating information about contacting a judge that was included in the box of materials furnished to every ED station.
The coordinator at first claimed it hadn’t been included in her box and angrily questioned its validity until I brought over a very experienced poll worker from another ED table who had given the paper to me and also showed the identical paper that I had just found and taken out of the box for my ED.
The coordinator called the BOE official for East Hampton, who came in to talk with me accompanied by a police officer. He asked me what I was doing giving extra information to voters about getting a court order. (I had been telling voters they could file an affidavit ballot or go to a judge for a court order.) I told him that I knew that I was legally bound to tell voters that they had a choice to go to a judge. I pointed to the paper and said I would tell people they could go to Riverhead for a judge (the closest judge at an hour and 15 minutes away).
He told me my job was just to have the information on the table, not give the voters extra information. I held my ground and he called the Suffolk County BOE office and then told me that I was NOT to tell people they could go to Riverhead but only to Yaphank, which is even further.
I took a dinner break shortly thereafter and called the Suffolk County BOE office in Yaphank myself. They told me I was to tell voters they have a choice, affidavit or a judge, and show them the paper I had shown the coordinator (who had initially denied its existence.)
I should note that we had two voting machines in my district. The main machine was jammed for about a half hour, so voters were sent to a second machine. The vote totals were 81 Clinton/ 70 Bernie for the first machine and 12 Clinton/4 Bernie for the second.
This is all true as per my recollection and based on notes I took immediately after I came home from the polling place.
As for the experience of other poll workers, here is what I have:
1. A friend, Matt Stutterheim, who worked at the same polling station that I did but at a different ED emailed me this:
“Just a quick response. I worked ED 15
We had 181 Democratic ballots cast and HRC got 104 votes to BS’s 76. (These were totals from the tally paper tape I reviewed)
One was totally blank : the voter was Republican, but refused to vote for anyone on the ballot, so rendered a “protest vote”
we processed 15 “affidavit votes”, where the voter was given a special ballot to vote and placed it in an envelope for processing by the BOE.
The outside of the envelope contained information about the voter, etc for review. I’d say only two or three of the 15 were Republicans.
Another two or three voters (maybe more) did not fill out the affidavits and left.
We also had 50 or 51 Republican ballots, and Trump got 33.
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2. A friend married to a poll worker emailed me that his wife was working at one of the South Hampton E.D.s: “She says there were numerous* afadavits filed including those whose spouses were on the rolls but they were not.”
3. The third poll worker was also from South Hampton. I don’t have her totals in front of me but will see if she can contact you directly.
I live in Delaware. The same thing happened to me. I HAVE NEVER SUPPORTED Hilary, nor did I ever sign up for anything. Yet at about the time the Clinton Campaign was stating Bernie stole her votes…I started receving emails from her, and requests for donations…it continues to this day. It was the CLINTONS who stole the database…
Hillary Supporters are the same level of Trump supporters. Trump supporters are all “he’ll make America great again!” and ask them “how” and they have no answer. Hillary supporters? Same thing. And on top of that, I’d argue many Hillary Supporters are bigots themselves. Look how many hear the word socialism and just gag reflexively instead of looking into if anything is true or false. How many times have you seen them use “he’s an old white man” for why they won’t support him? That is a sexist, racist, and ageist statement.
You Bernie bots are domestic online terrorists. Get a job you bigoted loser.
embrace the suck you low information puke.
Hillary 2137 delegates
DINO Bernie 1306 delegates
Hillary has 3 million plus more total votes than your UNELECTABLE DINO LOSER Bernie. hahah
#feelthemath
may your loved ones die of cancer.
embrace the suck you low information puke.
Hillary 2137 delegates
DINO Bernie 1306 delegates
Hillary has 3 million plus more total votes than your UNELECTABLE DINO LOSER Bernie. hahah
#feelthemath
With all due respect please drop dead. You post 1,000 of these rotten messages a day. I wish you were aborted.
I wish your aids infested hore mother died while giving birth you to you parasite.
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DINO Bernie 1306 delegates
Hillary has 3 million plus more total votes than your UNELECTABLE DINO LOSER Bernie. hahah
#feelthemath
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Hillary 2137 delegates
DINO Bernie 1306 delegates
Hillary has 3 million plus more total votes than your UNELECTABLE DINO LOSER Bernie. hahah
#feelthemath
Totally within the realm of possibility. I would put absolutely nothing past Hillary or the DNC. They are Oligarch mother fuckers all trying to hold onto power with a death grip.
We need to fucking rip it out of their hands
Wow — great logic. I’m from the computer world — makes sense — Wonder if the FBI will investigate?
Hell no they wont…and if the Bernie camp doesn’t make it a national scandal, nothing will be done. Bernie between a rock and a hard place.If Bernie exposes all the oppositional research he has on Clinton the DNC will take away his committee chairs, and find someone to run against him. Poor Bernie the only honest man this country desperately needs to take on the 1% is being destroyed by a corporate owned media, the 1%, banksters, credit card companies, big pharma, fossil fuel companies et al..NO candidate since FDR has has such a hard time….but we Bernie Supporters must continue to stand with Bernie no matter what they throw at him. The math isn’t there for Clinton, she cant reach 2383 either..
It’s quite obvious that there’s ano extremely large army of well trained machine set up to cheat any way they possibly can. The data breach is definitely a great potion of this and so are many other forms of cheating.
Where the hell is the proof of this? Otherwise you sound like one of those insane tin-foil hat, black helicopter, the-moon-landing-was-staged types.
The proof is that the DNC and. NGP VAN are the ones the recommended Bernie’s campaign to hire Josh Uretsky, who is the person that discovered that NGP VAN was dropping their firewall peridoically, and when they did this BOTH, Hillary and Bernie’s caimpaign could access each other’s info. NGP says it was a “glitch” that allowed this to happen, but every major programmer has stated that as BS. Bernie’s campaign told the DNC and NPG about the lapse of the firewall months before they tried accessing him of accessing data. Why was it not fixed? Why was the firwall continually taken down? Bernie’s campaign had no control over taking it down. All open minded people would come to the conclusion that the firewall was being taken down, so they could access Bernie’s campaign, because Bernie is the one that brought it to their attention in the first place, but they still continued to let the firewall lapse, the question is, how did Josh know when the firewall would be let down to access the information? And the time Josh was accused of accessing the information, the firewall was down for 4 hours.. This all seems way too planned. Espesially knowing that Bernie told them of the security issue months before. Only for it to not be fixed and then turned around to accuse him.
You just wrote a long passage that neglects to provide evidence for the premise of the quote: the breach was used, by the Clinton Campaign, to purge Bernie Sanders supporters.
That is an monumental accusations of illegal activity, requiring the complicity of dozens of participants, which demands proper sourcing.
There’s a large leap in logic from the Clinton Campaign looked at Sander’s data and sent people emails, to they also used the data and directed state and local officials to tamper with people’s voter registration status.
The shill campaign and the democratic establishment has used voter suppression and election fraud this entire primary campaign. If you don’t see that you’re blind.
This may be true, but before anyone fires off any accusations, we would need verifiable proof. This article is purely speculation.
The horrifying truth is that what you are saying is the wealthy and powerful, who can afford and have the means to commit crimes and cover them up should be able to do so. The sad state of affairs is that until we can force society to move to an egalitarian state, we must assume that all of the oligarchs are guilty and complicit.
But it’s not. Bernie filed suit against the DNC for his voter files back when the breach happened. This suit is still ongoing. Bernie will not withdraw it. At the time the breach happened, Weaver stated that they had good reason to believe that Bernie’s files had been accessed and it was Clinton who breached them. This is one reason that they suit remains open.
If I’m so blind then you should have no problem providing proof of election fraud, it shouldn’t be difficult.
Shouldn’t need proof when the exit polls n results are what they are. In other countries when the exit polling doesn’t match the actual numbers they claim election fraud and did recounts/revotes. The exit polling for this election has been way off in multiple states when it’s usually highly accurate. So it only seems logical that with all the shenanigans going on in states like Arizona Illionois New York and even Pennsylvania and others last night the we revote and an independent party oversees the count. It only seems fair that with all the crap that nobody gets the nomination until voters aren’t purged removed or any other BS that’s happened during these primaries. It’s bullshit and we should demand a revote in those states where it’s taken place. Whether that means taking the legal route as they’ve tried in Illinois and other states or by force if necessary this is bullshit and it needs to stop. #BernieorBust
The PROOF is all of these outraged citizens saying that their registered party was mysteriously changed, or how they go to vote and literally come up “unregistered” in the system. How many more people do you need to come forward and say this? How does this seem normal? Imagine being a registered democrat for 20 years and then being told you can’t vote because you’re suddenly registered as independent. That ALONE should make you think twice. Or, you can continue to turn your head the other way and pretend hundreds of people are just pulling these stories out of their ass.
Have your heard or seen any Clinton supporters making the claim that Sanders had suddenly appeared in their emails, or had phone calls from Bernie…NO, prove that stupid allegation….but Bernie Supporters have been talking about this for months.
So, still no proof that the Hilary campaign orchestrated the purge of Sander’s voters.
Then why was there a purge of 126,000 voters in Brooklyn where BERNIE IS FROM and it just so happened back in November. Curious coincidence that November follows October when breach happened and there was access to all those names!
He never stated it as fact, the Title is “Did Hillary’s..” and then set out a theory. Which I have stated facts of how she could be. Even if she did know, she is above the law, name one other person who has been investigated so many times and for a total of 20 years or so. And I dont want hear its GOP BS. Look up Filegate for that answer.
Exactly that is what happened. As soon as Bernies people found it, they contacted the Clinton Campaign…THEN they started the bullcrap that Bernie was into their account, nope just the opposite. the Clinton machine is the most destructive, undemocratic, anti democratic campaign in our modern history.
It happened to me and to many of my friends…just cuz it didn’t happen to you says one thing…you were always a Clinton supporter..
The Hillary campaign has committed election fraud in Iowa, Nevada, Arizona, Hawaii, Alaska, Wyoming, Massachusetts, and New York. I personally witnessed, in Alaska, out of state political operatives opening up stacks of index cards and claiming that each card represented a proxy voter that wasn’t able to make it to the caucus. No name or voter registration attached to any of them. Bernie still won 82%-18% even after all of the fraud. It would have been about 95%-5% without the election fraud.
Hmmm. Similar situation in CA. Got fundraising letter from DNC. One month later removed from voter rolls. Everyone, check your registration.
I’m in California and went and checked my registration and found that was no record of me. I was completely purged from the database, even though I’ve been a registered Democrat voting in this state since 1986, and have registered as an absentee voter at my current address for 10 years. I re-registered to vote, but am now unsure whether or not I will be able to vote in the primary. I am a Sanders supporter. Other friends have told me that the same has happened to them.
What can be done when this primary election is being stolen all across America for Hillary Clinton?
Nothing will be done, we can try to get a 3rd party ready for next election. If only 30 percent of Bernie supporters vote for Jill Stein, ( I think is closest to Bernies platform._Someone show me someone better, im open. Then they will have to include that party into debates, be on the ballot and get a % of matched donations. Voting for the lesser of two evils, wont change nothing. Bernie has said all this. The revolution will go on. And by us getting the Green Party, Im about 90% with their platform, biggest is gun issue. But Hillary runs on 2nd amendment restrictions too. Bernie ran as a Dem for that reason. They ignore him now, how many times you heard Jilll Stein on MSM? I dont know what I would think if he said vote Hilllary, Iwould be hurt, because she is the definition of what the revolution is against.